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You are here: BAILII >> Databases >> England and Wales Court of Appeal (Civil Division) Decisions >> H (Children), Re [2001] EWCA Civ 1338 (30 July 2001) URL: http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Civ/2001/1338.html Cite as: [2001] 2 FLR 77, [2001] 3 FCR 182, [2001] 2 FLR 1277, [2001] Fam Law 870, [2001] EWCA Civ 1338 |
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COURT OF APPEAL (CIVIL DIVISION)
ON APPEAL FROM THE GLOUCESTER COUNTY COURT
(Mr Recorder Greenwood)
Strand London WC2 Monday, 30th July 2001 |
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B e f o r e :
MR. JUSTICE ASTILL
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MISS M de HAAS Q.C. and MISS T. CRONIN (instructed by Messrs Langley Wellingtons) appeared on behalf of the Respondent
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"Subject to the mother being cured of her alcoholism, I find the mother entirely suitable to care for the children. She appears more sympathetic of the children's needs and would be the preferable carer. . . .
Second:
I am not convinced by the father's supposed desire to move to Northern Ireland where members of his family live. I suspect that his supposed desire to do so has rather more to do with thwarting the mother's application for residence or out of spite. From the age of 16 or 17, when he joined the Army, he has been very little in Northern Ireland and indicated no wish to return there. He has visited no more than once a year on average, at most. He has no accommodation fixed up and no employment. He hopes he would be able to get both. I have no doubt that he would be able to sort out suitable accommodation and employment."
"I reject, at least for now, the mother's application for a residence order. I grant interim residence to the father. I have decided, on the submissions of mother's counsel, to make an interim order because it might be preferable for the children to be living with their mother. I reject the father's application to remove the children from the jurisdiction."
"13(1) Where a residence order is in force with respect to a child, no person may -
(b) remove him from the United Kingdom;
without either the written consent of every person who has parental responsibility for the child or the leave of the court."
"A section 8 order may -
(b) impose conditions which must be complied with by any person -
(i) in whose favour the order is made;
(ii) who is a parent of the child concerned;
(iii) who is not a parent of his but who has parental responsibility for him; or
(iv) with whom the child is living,
and to whom the conditions are expressed to apply."
"Change of child's name or removal from jurisdiction."
"Although I have no doubt that opportunities would arise for her to see them by going to Northern Ireland for short periods of time and staying in the area, at some considerable expense, and even for them to return to England to stay with her as well, the logistics of this, bearing in mind her present problems and father's attitude towards them, and his general hostility to that regime once he departs, makes it in my view almost impossible to imagine the children having a meaningful contact with their mother, once he has departed. That, in my view, would be a devastating blow to the children at this particular time and in the foreseeable future."
(Q) "So what is your recommendation?
(A) In terms of the children, they need to be able to maintain a relationship with their mother for their emotional development. It is going to be very difficult for them if that doesn't happen, I think. This is why, you know, my concern is about them being in Gloucester. My recommendation was, you know, major change could be a problem.
(Q) Yes, obviously change? (A) I mean it is difficult for me because I don't know at the minute whether the court, I mean although it is about residence the court is looking at residence for me in terms of children's needs. It is also about removal from the jurisdiction because what I said is, you know, they are safe with dad, they are safe with dad, but they need the emotional warmth of their mum to get the best of both but that isn't going to happen if they are removed from the jurisdiction. It can't happen geographically."
31. MR. JUSTICE ASTILL: I agree, and I hope that my lack of experience in this area of law, certainly compared with the considerable experience of my Lord, will allow me to comment on it.
"Where a residence order is in force with respect to a child, no person may -
(b) remove him from the United Kingdom;
without either the written consent of every person who has parental responsibility for the child or the leave of the court."
"For the purposes of this Act 'the court' means the High Court, a county court or magistrates' court."
"Subsection (7) is subject to the provision made by or under Part 1 of Schedule 11 and to any express provision as to the jurisdiction of any court made by any other provision of this Act."
"The following provisions of this Act extend to Northern Ireland."
"This section applies to any order made by a court in the United Kingdom prohibiting the removal of a child from the United Kingdom or from any specified part of it.
(2) An order to which this section applies shall have effect in each part of the United Kingdom other than the part in which it was made..."