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England and Wales Court of Appeal (Criminal Division) Decisions |
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You are here: BAILII >> Databases >> England and Wales Court of Appeal (Criminal Division) Decisions >> C, R. v [2008] EWCA Crim 2691 (22 October 2008) URL: http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2008/2691.html Cite as: [2009] 2 Cr App Rep (S) 5, [2009] 2 Cr App R (S) 5, [2008] EWCA Crim 2691, [2009] Crim LR 302 |
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CRIMINAL DIVISION
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MRS JUSTICE SWIFT DBE
SIR CHARLES GRAY
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"Where an offender under the age of 18, has been convicted of a serious offence specified in the schedule 15A of the Act and has been assessed as dangerous, the court may impose a sentence of detention under section 91 of the Sentencing ACt for public protection. But it may do so only if the notional minimum term would have been at least two years. A notional minimum term of two years is the equivalent of a notional determinate sentence of four years under the 2000 Act."
"An extended sentence may be imposed on an offender aged under 18 at the date of conviction if the offender is convicted of an offence specified in schedule 15A (whether or not the offence is a serious offence) and has been assessed as dangerous, but only if the appropriate custodial term for the extended sentence would be at least four years."
"There is a possibility that the presentation is caused by prodromal (i.e pre-illness) phase of serious mental illness. However, it is more likely that his offending and presentation is a reflection of the structure of his personality that is continuing to develop along an abnormal trajectory and which has its roots in what appears, on the limited information I have been able to study so far, in his unsatisfactory early social environment."
"With regard to risk, in the absence of remorse or explanation as to why he committed the offence, and in the presence of similar previous behaviours, it can only be concluded that he continues to pose a risk of re-offending in a similar manner in the future."
"It is unlikely that hospital disposal is going to be appropriate in this case. C will need to be reviewed during any sentence and he may well require further psychiatric intervention During the course of any sentence as it may well be that his presentation will alter dramatically over the next couple of years."
"... poses a significant risk of harm and reoffending and that long-term intensive intervention in a secure setting will be required before this risk is reduced."
"If an adult male had committed the full offence that you attempted he would, after a trial, have received a sentence in double figures. It was not your intention that the offence did not succeed and be completed. Your intention was to complete the offence. Giving you appropriate reductions for your plea and your youth, the appropriate determinate sentence would have been four years' detention under section 91."
"Yours is classic case where it is simply impossible to predict at this stage for how long you may remain a danger. Sometimes youngsters change for the better relatively quickly; others do not. The whole purpose of detention for public protection is that the authorities have the power to detain you for whatever time it takes until that stage is reached. The sentence must therefore be one of detention for public protection."
"... whether there is a significant risk to members of the public of serious harm occasioned by the commission by him of further such offences."
That wording has not been materially altered by section 17 of the 2008 Act.
"The notional minimum term is the part of the sentence that the court would specify under section 82A(2) of the Sentencing Act (determination of tariff) if it imposed a sentence of detention for public protection but was required to disregard the matter mentioned in section 82A(3)(b) of that Act (crediting periods of remand)."
"If, in a case not falling within subsection (2), the court considers that an extended sentence under section 228 would not be adequate for the purpose of protecting the public from serious harm occasioned by the commission by the offender of further specified offences, the court must impose a sentence of detention for public protection."