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You are here: BAILII >> Databases >> England and Wales Court of Appeal (Criminal Division) Decisions >> Clancy, R. v [2012] EWCA Crim 8 (18 January 2012) URL: http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2012/8.html Cite as: 176 JP 111, [2012] EWCA Crim 8, [2012] 2 Cr App R 7, [2012] 1 WLR 2536, [2012] Crim LR 548, (2012) 176 JP 111 |
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ON APPEAL FROM THE CROWN COURT AT KINGSTON-UPON-THAMES
Mr. Recorder West
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Strand, London, WC2A 2LL |
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B e f o r e :
MR JUSTICE IRWIN
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SIR CHRISTOPHER HOLLAND
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THE QUEEN |
Respondent |
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LOUISE CLANCY |
Appellant |
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Mr. Jonathan Turner (instructed by the Crown Prosecution Service) for the respondent
Hearing date : 1st November 2011
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Crown Copyright ©
Lord Justice Moore-Bick :
"When we consider whether the defendant had good reason to have the knives and we reflect on whether she feared an attack should we consider (A) or (B) - (A) whether in assessing the facts available to the defendant at the time she was actually likely to be attacked or (B) whether in a confused and possibly irrational state she might have believed she might be attacked even if that was logically unlikely?"
"You should consider all the facts alleged [by] the prosecution and the defence that are alleged to amount to good reason for having the knife in a public place. You should decide which of those have been proved to the standard I directed you about yesterday that is that the fact has been proved by the defendant as being more likely. When you have identified those facts that you find proved, if any, you need to consider whether they amount to a good reason, this is a matter you need to consider objectively, that is, would an outside, independent observer consider that those facts amounted to a good reason for possession of the knife in a public place. You should not approach that question subjectively by taking the defendant's state of mind, whatever you may think it was. The reason why the law does not permit that is perhaps obvious, for example, say a person allowed himself to get drunk and in that state formed some distorted view of a situation and behaviour in response to that imaginary situation he could not say afterwards "I believed I had a good reason for doing what I did although I accept that there was in fact no good reason for doing so and I would not have done what I did if I had been sober".
The same applies if the distorted view was the result of some other cause such as a traumatic event. If the facts you find proved do not amount to a good reason looked at from the outside then the defendant will not have established a defence.
In summary the question is has the defendant established that she in fact had good reason for carrying the knife, that is the issue for you to decide – whether she had an angry and/or intoxicated and/or traumatised state of mind cannot amount to or contribute to having good reason. However her state of mind at various stages may well be relevant to her credibility and the reliability of her evidence as to the facts that she alleges."
"Once the facts are known the tribunal of fact can safely be left to decide for itself whether the statutory defence, which is formulated in simple words, has been made out."
"whether the learned District Judge was right in concluding on the balance of probabilities that having a weapon five minutes after the risk of imminent attack had passed did not give the appellant a reasonable excuse and therefore a defence to the charge even though the appellant believed he was at risk of imminent attack."
"should not approach the question subjectively by taking the defendant's state of mind whatever you may think it was"
and that
"whether she had an angry and/or intoxicated and/or traumatised state of mind cannot amount to or contribute to having good reason"
the Recorder effectively directed the jury that they should disregard entirely the appellant's state of mind when deciding whether the defence of "good reason" was made out. For the reasons we have given we think that was wrong. We think it doubtful in the circumstances of this case whether, if the Recorder had directed the jury correctly, they would have come to a different conclusion, but it was properly open to them to do so and accordingly we consider that the conviction is unsafe and must be quashed.